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《十五二十》就此停住? - 火狗工房討論區

《十五二十》就此停住?

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《十五二十》就此停住?

文章提督 » 2007-09-12, 01:04

話晒都係得獎作,故事、畫功都不俗,如果就咁就「止蝕」太可惜了,本來仲有好大空間同潛力的。

threemo123
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Re: 《十五二十》就此停住?

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Re: 《十五二十》就此停住?

文章w-ai » 2007-09-12, 22:46

Speed up 的「真正」創刊號,我仍然keep住呢!

threemo123
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文章w-ai » 2007-09-13, 01:53

Speed up 的「真正」創刊號,我仍然keep住呢!

MAX
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文章 » 2007-09-13, 10:25

火狗最大的缺點...是沒錢.....

正如老闆在火狗開發blog 所言....或許你可以覺得火狗不懂生意, 不憧商業, 水準不夠. 但是.....唯獨是熱血我相信找遍全香港再也找不到這樣一班熱血笨蛋了....

cheese 當年就是打著「支持本地創作」的旗號, 他們的宣傳比speedup 更好, 也更多人知道這本書. 可是還是摺了. (當時他們的銷量也比speedup好) 再推遠一點說, 其實香港大部份漫畫雜誌都是虧本的, 只是他們有另外的業務支持.

香港人其實太幸福, 世界各地的動漫都看的到, 又快又新. 以消費者來看當然是同樣價錢買"最好的"...所以...港產片死了, 香港漫畫人餓死了....要與世界為敵. 說起來還真是熱血呢不是嗎?

再告訴大家一件事, 別以為要賣很多才可以回本. 要支持很簡單, 買!! 覺的好當然要推薦給朋友, 告訴漫畫店!! 只要多一間漫畫店入書就有更多人看到!! 很原始? 沒錯,但是相信比較起等火狗發達之後去賣廣告來的實際多了

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文章提督 » 2007-09-13, 12:49

漫畫、書刊,的確唔係要賣好多就可以回,但係本書一拎上手,翻兩翻,如果係行內人就知道可以有幾多位再以減低製作成本之餘,仍然保持九成以上既「品質」了,慳得五毫就五毫、一蚊就一蚊呀,但係每次見到火狗既產品,似乎都太執著「品質」,製作成本過高 (只係印刷、製作廠商既生產成本而未計其他),但係價錢又俾市場限制,惡D講就係賣多多都唔夠蝕。

熱血、夢想呢D當然無罪──如果收埋自己響屋企熱血的話──不過而家講緊係對公司、同 Fans 既交代的話,熱血同商業利益上面都要妥協的,但係到到宜家,火狗方面都似要堅持過去方式,依然唔願意去改變,而且個理由竟然係「擔心這種改變,可能會令支持我們的大家失望」。拒絕改變呢個先係問題所在。

熱情會減退,香港人又鐘意貪新鮮,呢一刻大家對火狗危機都出錢出力支持,大家都有熱誠熱血熱血,好喇,宜家開學喇,過多幾個月,大家就慢慢唔會記得,到時又點?

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文章 » 2007-09-13, 18:38

現實系矛盾的, 對公司來說, 我是說超商業那種,當然是能省一元是一元.品質嘛誰要管呢如果賣得出. 可是這是對已經"上岸" 的公司而言的, 被買家接受了的情況. 就像是無記的慣性收視一樣的時候才可以做的.

粗製濫造的火狗可能還沒被大家認識就死了. 而且同 Fans 既交代的話. 正如我上面所說. 正是製作成本過高的原因之一. 香港人, 不...fans會不會接受? 我不知道..不過就個人來說.覺得不是一件容易的事.

而且對於商人而言.創作什麼的跟屁一樣. 什麼?賺不到, 結束比較快!!

每件事都有兩面, 或許當年cupid2得獎時快快手比人收購可能而家火狗財政, 知名度會好好多. 不過到時變成數字週, 生果報甘又如何? 「擔心這種改變,可能會令支持我們的大家失望」。我相信如果大家只系要求一間商業公司, 絕對唔會喜歡上火狗.市面上比人罵得最厲害的一定最好賣. 之前唔系有人post 話火狗太多方向, 唔集中所以失敗之類的分析.其實這正是火狗一直以來有在改變的証明. 亦多亦少因為甘先"死頂"到 8 年. 改變有大有小, 當你知道少少行內惡劣情況, 9成人都會打退堂鼓.覺得香港非港漫根本做不下去. 這個問題不是一朝一夕的了. 就算是大財團如黃生都諗唔通.....

幾個月後? 其實一兩個月香港人已經唔記得.呢排興集體回憶,香港人跟潮流熱鬧一下而已 這個幾月感受最深的是一堆人的"支持留言".
"我唔知有呢間公司又無玩過你地dgame, 不過支持你地"..........感覺實在是哭笑不得...你到底支持了什麼丫....

貪新鮮, 講品質, 貪小便宜....香港人的生意真惡做.

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文章w-ai » 2007-09-13, 19:38

Speed up 的「真正」創刊號,我仍然keep住呢!

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文章w-ai » 2007-09-13, 23:02

Speed up 的「真正」創刊號,我仍然keep住呢!

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文章chibi-zephie|onigiri » 2007-09-13, 23:38

想「打入國外市場」既,有好多時係有心無力無資金
唔係話咁易,話做就做到
經銷渠道已經係一個大問題

SpeedUP 變網上版呢一步,除左 cut 經費外,其實已經係向「打港外市場」踏出一步
只係後繼不力未做到個完善既營業系統
可哀相食! /o_o\
Don't eat the poor onigiri /o_o\

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文章Kupo » 2007-09-14, 20:48

我覺得對於一間已有畫工, 技術, 人材的公司而言:
一個有吸引力的劇本才是決定性的.一個會令觀眾看過一期後, 一定會買第二期的作品
那麼該漫畫的消量在最差情況下只會不變, 不至於會有人買了一期, 就不買下去了.

攪個漫畫劇本創作比賽, 邀請那些只會埋怨火狗做得不好, 很想舒發自己對火狗不滿的人去寫故事, 就看他們馮資格, 去說火狗不好

我認為那些只作得出跟”火狗創作的故事”一樣水準的故事的人, 也沒有資格在這裡說火狗不是, 因為他們沒有技術
只有那些能作得出一個比"火狗創作的故事"更好的故事的人, 才能說得出一些較有建設性的話

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文章神風山賊 » 2007-09-14, 21:37

火狗的產品向來有一定的品質
相信這個沒人不認同

但大家似乎忽略了一點 ... 市場
要改變市場迎合產品?還是
要改變產品迎合市場?

改變市場 ...
就是要更多人接受產品(和買正版)
或者改變對像 (特別是香港以外)

改變產品
這樣一定要有新意念
當中或許會火狗的原則有衝突
文字‧從心
At the heart of the text.

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文章threemo123 » 2007-10-31, 21:26

其實我是覺得他們的營運手法有問題~~

熱血不代表一定要蝕錢,對吧??

很熱血的製作作品,跟怎樣推廣這些作品,是兩回事嘛~~

我不明白放上網是怎樣推廣海外,只是讓更多人看到而且,賺不到錢呢!!

我又不是看翻版,只是光不正大的上網看,結果是「這最受歡迎的《十五二十》的稿費都賺不到」

這就是問題所在,也是火狗要面對的。

我是十分希望一天,火狗賺大錢,speedup重開啦!!


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